911debunker (![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} 911debunker) wrote,@ 2007-02-06 01:14:00 |
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Flight 93 - Poking a hole in the no-plane theory
In my debate with Killtown, I discussed the possibility of setting up the entire Flight 93 crash scene on the day of 9/11. I realize that most people, even a number of conspiracy theorists, find the "no plane at Shanksville" theory preposterous. Nevertheless, the documentary Loose Change parrots this theory, pointing out a lack of plane debris at Shanksville and presenting a little evidence that it may have landed in Cleveland.
Now, if no plane did crash in Shanksville, you have to consider the fact that Barry Hoover lives in a house just 500 yards from the crash scene, and he can clearly see the scene from his home. So if people had started setting up the crash scene before 9/11, Barry Hoover would have known about it. The only way they could possibly set up a scene like this would be if they set it all up after Barry Hoover went to work and before the first group of people arrived at the scene. With this in mind, here is what I wrote at this debate:
First of all, it was reported that 95% of the plane debris was recovered. (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/i
Think of how much debris that is. 60 tons! That's a lot!
Of course, it wasn't all just found in one spot. Workers had to dig 45 feet into the ground just to dig up all of the debris. (http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/emergen
60 tons of debris, some of which was buried through about 45 feet of dirt.
And, of course, the debris was very widespread. Again, look at your video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KulZQfEh
Take a look at the small pieces of debris that were EVERYWHERE, not just close to the crash scene. The debris was very widespread, and there were a number of reports of that, too. Remember Lyle Szupinka, one of the guys who saw an engine "a considerable distance from the crash site"?
Szupinka said most of the remaining debris, scattered over a perimeter that
stretches for several miles, are in pieces no bigger than a "briefcase."
Source: http://www.flight93crash.com/whole_engi
Authorities also said another debris site had been cordoned off six to eight miles away from the original crash debris site. But [FBI spokesman Bill] Crowley said the debris was "very light material such as paper and thin nylon -- things that in the air with the wind would easily blow."
Source: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/i
Also, from that source:
Crowley said archaeologists have been brought in to search the impact crater, which has been covered by a layer of dust.
Wow, so they did such a good job of embedding tons and tons of debris into the crater that they even had to bring in archaeologists to help dig the stuff up? That's one hell of a job in just one day. It wasn't even a whole day anyway, was it?
I don't want to speculate on the amount of time you give them to set this up, but you said that the homeowner had already left for work, meaning they would have to wait until he left at the very least. Now two civilians said they ran to the scene immediately following the crash:
Bob Blair was completing a routine drive to Shade Creek just after 10 a.m. Tuesday, when he saw a huge silver plane fly past him just above the treetops and crash into the woods along Lambertsville Road.
Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.
“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
Source: http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_e
So if the guy left for work at, say, 7:00, and this plane crashed at 10:03 or so, I'd say that the crew had about 3 1/2 hours to plant 60 tons of debris more than 45 feet into a crater in the ground (that still had to be dug up, by the way) and over a perimeter of several miles.
Holy shit.
In my debate with Killtown, I discussed the possibility of setting up the entire Flight 93 crash scene on the day of 9/11. I realize that most people, even a number of conspiracy theorists, find the "no plane at Shanksville" theory preposterous. Nevertheless, the documentary Loose Change parrots this theory, pointing out a lack of plane debris at Shanksville and presenting a little evidence that it may have landed in Cleveland.
Now, if no plane did crash in Shanksville, you have to consider the fact that Barry Hoover lives in a house just 500 yards from the crash scene, and he can clearly see the scene from his home. So if people had started setting up the crash scene before 9/11, Barry Hoover would have known about it. The only way they could possibly set up a scene like this would be if they set it all up after Barry Hoover went to work and before the first group of people arrived at the scene. With this in mind, here is what I wrote at this debate:
First of all, it was reported that 95% of the plane debris was recovered. (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/i
Think of how much debris that is. 60 tons! That's a lot!
Of course, it wasn't all just found in one spot. Workers had to dig 45 feet into the ground just to dig up all of the debris. (http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/emergen
60 tons of debris, some of which was buried through about 45 feet of dirt.
And, of course, the debris was very widespread. Again, look at your video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KulZQfEh
Take a look at the small pieces of debris that were EVERYWHERE, not just close to the crash scene. The debris was very widespread, and there were a number of reports of that, too. Remember Lyle Szupinka, one of the guys who saw an engine "a considerable distance from the crash site"?
Szupinka said most of the remaining debris, scattered over a perimeter that
stretches for several miles, are in pieces no bigger than a "briefcase."
Source: http://www.flight93crash.com/whole_engi
Authorities also said another debris site had been cordoned off six to eight miles away from the original crash debris site. But [FBI spokesman Bill] Crowley said the debris was "very light material such as paper and thin nylon -- things that in the air with the wind would easily blow."
Source: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/i
Also, from that source:
Crowley said archaeologists have been brought in to search the impact crater, which has been covered by a layer of dust.
Wow, so they did such a good job of embedding tons and tons of debris into the crater that they even had to bring in archaeologists to help dig the stuff up? That's one hell of a job in just one day. It wasn't even a whole day anyway, was it?
I don't want to speculate on the amount of time you give them to set this up, but you said that the homeowner had already left for work, meaning they would have to wait until he left at the very least. Now two civilians said they ran to the scene immediately following the crash:
Bob Blair was completing a routine drive to Shade Creek just after 10 a.m. Tuesday, when he saw a huge silver plane fly past him just above the treetops and crash into the woods along Lambertsville Road.
Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.
“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
Source: http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_e
So if the guy left for work at, say, 7:00, and this plane crashed at 10:03 or so, I'd say that the crew had about 3 1/2 hours to plant 60 tons of debris more than 45 feet into a crater in the ground (that still had to be dug up, by the way) and over a perimeter of several miles.
Holy shit.
